In this episode, we sit down with Abigail Browka, the curator of the Everyday Sanctuary app, and we get into the importance of real-life experiences and faith journeys.
Pastor Abigail shares profound insights into tapping into creative spirituality, from the necessity of supporting one another in our spiritual paths to the role of brief, accessible spiritual practices in our daily lives. Together we’re going to explore the significance of daily spiritual practices, silent retreats, and the emergence of new spiritual practices and faith communities. This episode promises to inspire a deeper understanding of spirituality and encourage you to embrace it in your everyday life.
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Episode notes
Abigail Browka is the founder and curator of the Everyday Sanctuary mobile app, which was launched in 2021 during the pandemic. With the intent to bring sacred practices into everyday life, Abigail created the app to provide a satisfying spiritual practice in less than 5 minutes, no matter where you are. Her goal is to make it easy for people to connect with God, whether they are at the doctor's office, in the carpool line, or at a friend's house. She also hosts a podcast as another way to help people find their spiritual connection. If you’ve followed our related Rethink Church social media accounts, you’ve seen Abigail as we feature a spiritual practice from her on those channels every Thursday.
Get the app that started it all. Everyday Sanctuary is available on all platforms. And there's a podcast, too!
Abigail has written a devotional book for Lent 2024. You can pick that up just about anywhere.
In this episode
[00:00] Compass podcast promotes spiritual awareness and gratitude.
[04:58] Busy individuals finding God in everyday life.
[10:22] Creating accessible, 5-minute spiritual connections through app.
[14:02] Affirming daily spiritual practice and benefits of silence.
[15:09] Quiet space allows for reflection and appreciation.
[19:11] Emerging ministries adapting to changing world.
[21:53] Harvard study shows importance of healthy relationships.
[26:22] Community participation in events creates connections.
[30:14] Frequent contact, but infrequent meaningful conversations.
[33:18] Explore spiritual practices, share your experiences, and inspire.
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This episode posted on January 10, 2024
Episode Transcript:
Ryan Dunn [00:00:01]:
Happy New Year ish. I guess we're close to the new year as we're recording this. Welcome to Compass, finding spirituality in the everyday. In this episode, we sit down with reverend Abigail Broca, a curator of the Everyday Sanctuary app, and we get into the importance of real life experiences and faith journeys. Pastor Abigail shares profound insights into tapping into creative spirituality from the necessity of supporting one another in our spiritual paths to the role of brief, accessible spiritual practices in our daily lives. Together, we're gonna explore the significance of daily spiritual practices, silent retreats, and the emergence of new spiritual practices and faith communities. Comp This episode promises to inspire a deeper understanding of spirituality and encourage you to embrace it in your own everyday life. My name is Ryan Dunn.
Ryan Dunn [00:00:58]:
If this is your 1st exposure to Compass, this is a good episode to start with because it encapsulates well what we strive to do with this podcast, which is to create an awareness of the spiritual moments comp and movements impacting our everyday lives. If you're a longtime listener and you haven't done this already, then Cheer your appreciation for Compass through leaving a rating and review on a podcast listening platform like Apple Podcasts. Don't forget, Gratitude is a spiritual practice, so you can get into the spirit of this episode by sharing your gratitude for what we do. Thanks so much. Let me tell you about our guest, reverend Abigail Braucke. She is the founder and curator of the Everyday Sanctuary mobile app, which was launched in 2021 during the pandemic with the intent to bring sacred practices into everyday life. Abigail created the app to provide a satisfying spiritual practice in less than 5 minutes no matter where you are. So her goal is to make it easy for people to connect with God, whether they're at the doctor's office or in the carpool line or at a friend's house.
Ryan Dunn [00:02:12]:
She also hosts a podcast as another way to help people find their spiritual connection. If you followed our related Rethink Church social media accounts. You've seen Abigail as we feature a spiritual practice from her on those channels just about every Thursday. So let's talk about what spiritual practice looks like in 2024 with reverend Abigail Broca. Abigail. We've worked together for a few years now, I think, and we initially met through the Everyday Sanctuary app, which is this contemplative spiritual practice app that, that you helped found and and put together. What led you to putting together the Everyday Spiritual app.
Abigail Browka [00:02:58]:
Yes. It's been a couple years, Ryan. It's, Everyday Sanctuary mobile app started in 2021. It's when we went public during the pandemic, curator of it. It is a To bring the sacred practices that we might experience in church or in sacred community And bring them into a place where, whether we're at the doctor's office or in the carpool line or at our friend's house that we have ready access to connecting with God. And so I thought A mobile app and a podcast is a great way to do that because, on average, we look at our phones Every 10 minutes, which is so healthy. Right?
Ryan Dunn [00:04:05]:
Yeah. I'm gonna be measuring now. Like, the rest of the day. Has it been 10 minutes? I can't look yet. I'm I'm gonna wait 20.
Abigail Browka [00:04:14]:
Most of us have trouble, setting aside our phones even for an hour a day. So we usually have them with us, and when we can use that as a conduit to connect with God, I think that's a great opportunity.
Ryan Dunn [00:04:29]:
Yeah. Comp So was that something that you were longing for in your own life? Did you find yourself at the doctor's office in the waiting room being like, I wish I had A way to spiritually connect right now.
Abigail Browka [00:04:42]:
Mine's probably, hiding in the car, right when you get home for those 5 minutes of quiet. That's that's great. If you have children, you know, I'm talking to
Ryan Dunn [00:04:56]:
that spot. Yeah.
Abigail Browka [00:04:58]:
So that's probably the place where I longed for that the most. As a pastor, I would meet people who were really busy but who were genuinely interested in connecting with God, but they didn't necessarily have time to, like, attend the small group in person or read the 200 page book Or, go on a 7 day retreat, in Costa Rica. So what they needed was, In my crazy busy life, how can I interject God into everyday life for me, and that's part of why we call it Everyday Sanctuary?
Ryan Dunn [00:05:47]:
So what did that look like at the beginning? Like, as you downloaded the app and you all opened up a practice each day, what did the practices look like?
Abigail Browka [00:05:59]:
Yes. So if you go to the Everyday Sanctuary mobile app today, you'll see there's a daily practice that you can do in Often in less than 5 minutes. It starts with a brief prayer of presents, a short scripture. And then, we encourage 2 to 5 minutes of a deep breath prayer that has a prompt that relates to that scripture. There's also space for you to write down your gratitudes and your, prayers for that day. So there's also this journaling space within the app.
Ryan Dunn [00:06:40]:
And has that morphed over time now that you've been at it for a couple years?
Abigail Browka [00:06:44]:
It's pretty stayed pretty consistent. We added The audio podcast, probably a year in or so, but the app has stayed pretty consistent. And I write it at most about 7 days ahead. So part of the intent is that I'm drawing from real life, that I'm drawing from what's happening, in a global space, Drawing on the seasons of life, as I write the practices.
Ryan Dunn [00:07:21]:
Okay. So we're not looking at if I open up to January 12, 2024, I'm not gonna be looking at the same thing that I read back in January 12, 2023.
Abigail Browka [00:07:33]:
Right.
Ryan Dunn [00:07:34]:
Okay.
Abigail Browka [00:07:35]:
Yes.
Ryan Dunn [00:07:37]:
Well, You've brought these spiritual practices into a a digital space, and it in talking about something like breath prayer, Like, that's an old ancient practice. And in a way, it's an embodied practice. Like, really, one of the attractions of breath prayer is that it does have us concentrating in our own physical form, right, where we're concentrating on the breath, paying attention to where we are at the moment. Was were you deep into practices like that before trying to bring them into the digital space?
Abigail Browka [00:08:13]:
Definitely, I would say reflective practices, reflective spirituality, Yoga, meditation, those are are practices that I do in throughout my life. So they probably inform the attitude that I hope is communicated through everyday sanctuary. When I thought about bringing those practices to a digital space, Obviously, one of the things is the practice practice can be done in 5 minutes. Most of those other practices, you are not, don't have the goal of being something that you could complete so quickly. Mhmm. Using less words and making it more of an experience that people could enter into, really basic things like we use 1 to 4 verses of Scripture versus the whole lectionary text.
Ryan Dunn [00:09:28]:
Mhmm.
Abigail Browka [00:09:29]:
So more of the practice is about that embodied practice of Deep breath prayer or journaling, rather than simply reading,
Ryan Dunn [00:09:48]:
because because as you mentioned, there are so many spiritual practices that are recommended for so much longer. Like, if you look at a centering prayer, they say, well, You know, to get the full effect, you probably need to invest 20 to 30 minutes. And I don't know. Somewhere along the line in our spiritual formation, we're just sold on this idea of, like, you need to wake up and spend half an hour in the bible, in your quiet time every day. Right? So as Have you heard some kind of, like, pushback to be in, like, well, 5 minutes? How meaningful can that be?
Abigail Browka [00:10:22]:
I haven't heard a lot of that, and what I would attribute that to Is there are so many options that are created to be done in 10 to 30 minutes. So before I before we went public, I looked at other apps and devotionals, what was available. And I didn't find something at the time That was intentionally simple and brief, clear and accessible, that If you weren't deeply rooted in the tradition of the Christian church that you Could still participate in and feel a spiritual connection with God. So I think there are a lot of other, Opportunities out there that are longer. So I think part of what's unique about This practice through everybody's sanctuary is that it is if you only have 5 minutes, you can say, I Took 5 minutes to connect to God.
Ryan Dunn [00:11:33]:
Yeah. Alright. That makes sense. Yeah. And for the people who want the half an hour periods that's out there. So it's the people who are looking for the 5 minutes that are finding the way. Yeah. Well, how developing something like this informed your own spiritual practice? Like, are are you finding yourself more in tune with your own prayer life through having to develop these prayers for other people?
Abigail Browka [00:11:59]:
Comp Yes. So I do think, one of the experiences that I have as a pastor is that comp Probably in everybody's work life. When you're in work mode, your mind is not necessarily in your most creative space. You're not necessarily the most open to the Holy Spirit. Yeah. So in writing, in contemplative practice, in writing, and recently, I've started doing more, like, poetry type stuff. It really opens me up to listening more than comp Decision making or perfection or being right, which is what I, you know I think what a lot of us experience in our work lives. Right? We're trying to find the solution.
Abigail Browka [00:12:54]:
Yeah. This is not about solution. This is about spirit. So that's That's definitely this is one of the ways I tap into my creative spirituality, and I'm very thankful for that.
Ryan Dunn [00:13:09]:
Well, we're recording this at the precipice of a new year as we jump into 2024, and Wanted to explore some ways that that people are going to find spiritual connection throughout the year. I mean, certainly, there are ancient practices that, sometimes fall away that we are then reminded of and find value and meaning in once again. Other times, there are new practices that kind of emerge through, just people playing around. You know? A few years ago, nobody thought, hey. You can have an app that helps you, cultivate some kind of spiritual interaction. So are there some ways that you plan personally on, investing in some spiritual inspiration in the new year?
Abigail Browka [00:14:02]:
Yeah. I think briefly just affirming the Rhythm of having a daily spiritual practice, whether it be everyday sanctuary or, you know, work coming up Towards And then the other thing I wanna hype is, I just wanna speak for silent retreats. And when I say silent retreats to people. They get really big eyes and think I could never do that. So I wanna be clear. You can take a silent retreat that is for one day, Like for 8 hours or for 4 hours. I went on a retreat during the new year's, Which for me, the month of December is a month of mental clutter for me leading up to Christmas. And so part of my experience with this retreat was this retreat allowed me to break the cycle of that mental clutter.
Abigail Browka [00:15:09]:
It Gave me the space. I had the space to, a, think about all the things that were going on in my head, and then, b, say I don't have to think about all those things all the time. I now have enough Space and silence to appreciate quiet and silence, which we often, have trouble attaining in our everyday life. So Just affirming if you've never taken a silent retreat, if you've never taken 4 to 8 hours even of Not listening to music, not speaking, and just being in a reflective environment. It's great. It's a great thing to try, and most of us live within an hour of a retreat center that would be happy to host you for, like, a silent retreat. It doesn't have to be something big and fancy. You just need a quiet space.
Ryan Dunn [00:16:13]:
Yeah. Well, in spite of the fact that I I kinda make a living doing podcasts, I do not consider it a challenge to go through, Like, a day without speaking. Like, I I have a feeling that if you talk to certain people in my life, they would probably say, like, well, you know, he accepts that challenge every day to to see if he can go through without saying anything yet. But even still, like, the idea of being forced into it is a little intimidating. Can you walk us through? Like, what was your experience in the silent retreat? Are you with other people so there is, like, this true challenge of not communicating.
Abigail Browka [00:16:52]:
Now I wanna name first, Ryan, that even though you might not be speaking to other people, are you, Rolling anxiety around inside your head. Is that where the speaking is happening? Right?
Ryan Dunn [00:17:07]:
Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Got it. Busted.
Abigail Browka [00:17:11]:
So the 2 examples I wanna give when I think about silent retreat Is you can find a retreat center where they will create an environment that really allows you, to enter into that. Meaning, they'll have a structure and they'll share that structure with you. The other approach that I took, And this was during the pandemic. So I was living at home with my child and and my partner. So I just rented an Airbnb for one day. I didn't even stay overnight. They let me rent it just for the day, and I remember going there and just being like, And because it wasn't my house, I didn't have the visual clutter, the to do list, right in front of my eyes. Right?
Ryan Dunn [00:18:01]:
So Yeah. Those cues that kinda pull you out of that space to be like, oh, You know, just walking by and seeing a pile of stuff in the corner and, you know, the temptation to make a mental note of, like, I need to do something about that. You know?
Abigail Browka [00:18:14]:
Right. So those are just 2 examples of saying you can go on a very structured retreat, which if you find it locally, it's not expensive usually. Or you can just say, I'm gonna go to a space that I that makes me feel safe, that brings me a sense of peace, That gives me helps me leave that mental clutter in my everyday life.
Ryan Dunn [00:18:39]:
Well, you're pastoring through the through the Everyday Sanctuary app. You're you're pastoring in a local parish or at a local church. You're also kind of being a pastor to other pastors in a way in in this role that you have in in helping new faith communities in the area in which you live. In that role, have you seen some of these new faith communities begin to utilize some, new to us spiritual practices?
Abigail Browka [00:19:11]:
Yeah. I think of these as like our emerging ministries that we experience in the United Methodist church or even like if in a kind of like our research and development, meaning that we're trying new things in ministry Because the world is changing around us, and we as a global church want to be relevant, To people's faith lives. So in those new faith communities, I've seen Zoom meditations. I've seen, in person practices like labyrinth and retreats, Children's programming that is, on-site at apartment developed Housing rather than in the church, you know.
Ryan Dunn [00:20:07]:
Yeah. A
Abigail Browka [00:20:07]:
lot of it is like rather than being inside of the church walls that we might feel so comfortable with getting out into real life with real people. So A digital ministry like Irae Sanctuary does that through the the accessibility that we have by being digital. But those are some ways that In person churches are reaching out and reaching new generations of people.
Ryan Dunn [00:20:37]:
Yeah. So they're kinda being creative about Moving to where people are as opposed to the the, the staid practice of many generations where the church could just kind of expect people to come.
Abigail Browka [00:20:51]:
Yes. That's true.
Ryan Dunn [00:20:55]:
Interesting. Well comp So you've done the silent retreat that is in the past. That's the past tense. What are you looking forward to doing in the future?
Abigail Browka [00:21:06]:
Well, I I knew I thought you were gonna ask me about 2024, and Yeah. I'm kind of like a big ideas person, a big paintbrush kind of person. Mhmm. And so the words that came to mind as I thought about what People, I think, are resonating with right now are people are looking for inspiration. They're looking for collaboration and teamwork for a greater good. I think we've seen a lot of, people, influencers, Organizations that have have not, had that spirit of teamwork and collaboration in a healthy way.
Ryan Dunn [00:21:52]:
Mhmm.
Abigail Browka [00:21:53]:
All over the world, we see the break down of neighboring and community and collaboration. So also been really interested in this study that Harvard did about, they researched People for over 60 years, and what were what brought the most health and happiness to people's life was having healthy relationships. And I think we're seeing the effect of kind of the social atrophy that happened during the pandemic. So the church that I serve, our Vision statement is a community of belonging, spirit led, holding space for all. That sense that people are looking for a sense of community. They have a desire to be connected to community. And I think when the church can live that out, rather than being maybe a club or something inward focused As we've been in the past, it's gonna allow us to be a healthier presence in our communities.
Ryan Dunn [00:23:11]:
So within your church then, how are you cultivating that sense of community this year? Are there any specific programs or practices that as a community your church is coming together over?
Abigail Browka [00:23:24]:
We go to karaoke once a month
Ryan Dunn [00:23:30]:
comedy. Christian karaoke?
Abigail Browka [00:23:35]:
Christian karaoke, not Christian karaoke.
Ryan Dunn [00:23:37]:
Singing the, you know, Mercy Me and that no?
Abigail Browka [00:23:41]:
No. We're going to a public place And being around other people in real life. Fantastic. Karaoke. And we go to the same place every month, and so they know us and we meet people, and, We've celebrated birthdays that way. And you mentioned, like, is it Christian karaoke? Well, the last time we did it in
Ryan Dunn [00:24:12]:
but Yeah.
Abigail Browka [00:24:13]:
Yeah. But we did it in December, and there was this particular karaoke guy was like, Let's do the Cupid shuffle, bust out Cupid shuffle. We're all out there dancing. And then he realizes we're a church. He's like, have I got a song for you? And he turns on Waymaker, and he's leading it. And, like, 20 of our people come up and sing with him.
Ryan Dunn [00:24:37]:
It was great.
Abigail Browka [00:24:38]:
And people in the mall are watching, and, it was a really, just Impactful experience. So you never know what's gonna happen when you go to karaoke as a church.
Ryan Dunn [00:24:52]:
That. Do you have I'm not gonna ask you to sing it, but do you have, like, a go to karaoke song?
Abigail Browka [00:24:58]:
Go to karaoke. Well, in December, it was a young woman's birthday in my congregation, and so she I let her request. So she requested, girl, put your records on. Girl, put your records on. That one.
Ryan Dunn [00:25:17]:
Look out. Pastor Abigail can sing. Who is that is I know the song. Who sings it initially.
Abigail Browka [00:25:26]:
I I don't wanna pronounce mispronounce her name. It's a female artist from England, I think. Came out came out probably, what, 8, 10 years ago. Right?
Ryan Dunn [00:25:39]:
Yeah. Oh, at least. Yeah. Mhmm. If I know it, it it's gotta be pretty old.
Abigail Browka [00:25:45]:
Right.
Ryan Dunn [00:25:45]:
Like, you know, it takes me about 10 years to kinda catch on to something, so, That's the stage of life that I'm at. Yeah. You know, it's funny the way that the spirit works. I was having a conversation the other day and expressing a need of, like, hey. You know, I'd love to be able to just, like, just kinda organically hang out with people, you know, in the way that We used to. I feel like that that has kinda phased out in my life over the past couple years, and, and we were talking about doing, karaoke. And so I feel like the spirit's meddling. It's a confirmation.
Abigail Browka [00:26:22]:
Com What is nice about it is, like, we as a church are not hosting it. We are going together, and we are participating in something that is already happening in our community. And so I think there is this, like, people are busy. Right? Yeah. If we have to plan and provide the food and pay for it and all of that, It is a hurdle. And so when you when you can just go for a walk with your friend And you've got 30 minutes to do it, and it happens. Like, I just think that there's a sense that We need those community building things that don't require multiple steps for us to get there. So what's your go to karaoke song going to be?
Ryan Dunn [00:27:13]:
Mine? Oh, I haven't I haven't entered that phase yet, so I'm still. I was just like, yeah. Yeah. Karaoke. Sounds sounds sounds fun. Yeah. But now I have to start looking, though. I don't know.
Ryan Dunn [00:27:27]:
Yep. Not I feel like it has to be something uptempo, something that is, kinda limited in range so that I can I can sing it well, but something that calls for a a fair amount of audience participation as well? So I don't know. That that's my criteria that I'll be looking for. I feel like we can come back to this, though. Like, there might be a follow-up episode here where we're exploring karaoke as a spiritual practice.
Abigail Browka [00:27:53]:
Like Mm-mm. Karaoke as a spiritual practice.
Ryan Dunn [00:27:56]:
Tund away. Yes. In a way, like, haven't we been doing that for centuries as we sing hymns, though? Isn't that what Gary
Abigail Browka [00:28:07]:
I was thinking about chanting too. Yeah. When you really go back and there is something beautiful about just having, repetition, having a communal experience through music. I mean, that's People love hymns. People love music in our churches. And then where else do you go where you get to sing with other people Other than a concert where I'm paying $200 for a ticket. Right?
Ryan Dunn [00:28:37]:
Yep. Yeah. Don't get me started on those concert tickets. It's crazy. Anyways, well, you've been involved in some writing as well. For Lent, which is a a series of of devotionals. In that process, was, Were you developing, like, a new practice for yourself, or was this something that was kind of a repetition of a practice that had been ingrained for you, for quite a while.
Abigail Browka [00:29:09]:
Right. So I write almost every day because of Everyday Sanctuary, But the devotional is more narrative. So I wrote it last Spring and it's released now on Amazon and, but through the narrative Devotional. It definitely gave me more time to kind of unpack the thoughts behind the scripture and apply them to everyday life in a way that you can't do when you're doing a contemplated practice. So this does give you more of a narrative journey of lent And moving through the season with brief daily reflections. So they're still very brief. They're like, they're Not even a page of 8a half by 11. So on the scripture for the season.
Ryan Dunn [00:30:14]:
Well, this has been so good to have this conversation. You know, this is kind of comp An anecdote for the ways in which we relate in 2024 because you and I correspond pretty regularly. Like, we're shooting notes to each other just about every week. And yet, like, I don't know. We have a a full conversation like this a couple times a year. So, like, I don't know. It's just something to be aware of, I guess, as I'm, thinking about the ways that I I relate with people. Like, You know, sure, I'm in touch with people, but how often am I really curating conversation with people? And that might be something to kinda pay attention to.
Ryan Dunn [00:30:56]:
So that being said, this has been really refreshing to have this conversation.
Abigail Browka [00:30:59]:
Yeah. I like to hear about people's Like, what's really happening in your life? How is your faith really being lived out?
Ryan Dunn [00:31:08]:
Mhmm.
Abigail Browka [00:31:09]:
What are you thinking about, Like the karaoke or a retreat that maybe you have like, what's stopping you from having that practice in your life? What do you wanna call in in this new year? And just encourage like, I think when we hear other people's lived Faith experiences that encourages us and makes us feel less alone in Even when we have unanswered questions, when I don't know exactly how to connect with God. If I I don't know how to, Reignite a friendship that I haven't been able to see in a while. Right? How do we do those things in our lives And how do we support one another to do that?
Ryan Dunn [00:31:53]:
Yeah. Well, final question for you. This is gonna be a deep one, so get ready. In organizing your, spiritual retreat for 2024, does the karaoke come before or after the silence fasting.
Abigail Browka [00:32:20]:
So part of my retreat was there was a, So part of my retreat was there was a, a physical element to it, dancing or yoga. And I do think there is something about having a release, a creative expression so that you can, enter silence. Because you have you have released things, you have thought all the thoughts that you need to think, you've given your self time to do that, and then it allows you to enter, silence or the new year, right, refreshed. So I'm really thankful I did that, and I think that, yeah, I think we do need, loud creative outlets as well as Quieter, more contemplated ones.
Ryan Dunn [00:33:08]:
Cool. Well, thank you for, offering your presence with us, your insights, and, and for having this conversation. So good to talk.
Abigail Browka [00:33:17]:
Thank you, Ryan.
Ryan Dunn [00:33:18]:
Thanks for taking this dive into spiritual practices with us. If you have any thoughts, questions, or personal experiences that you'd like to share, we encourage you to reach out to us through our email rethink church at umcom.org. Your stories matter, and your voices deserve to be heard. If you could use a little more inspiration, then check out episode number 120 with pastor Mark Feldmeier. It's called discovering evidence of the divine in everyday moments. Sounds pretty related. Right? If you're hungering for more spiritual practices, then episode 112 about disrupting your busy life with loving kindness is gonna be right up your alley. While you're listening, leave a rating and or review.
Ryan Dunn [00:34:02]:
Thank you. The Compass podcast is brought to you by United Methodist Communications, and we're gonna be back with a new episode in 2 weeks. So I will chat at you then.
