We’re revisiting a conversation with Kaitlin Curtice. We talked with Kaitlin back in 2018. She is an award-winning author, poet-storyteller, and public speaker. Kaitlin presents on the intersections of spirituality and identity and how that shifts throughout our lives.
In this episode we really focused on how she uses everyday moments as instances of awareness and appreciation–everything from doing the dishes to dealing with a nasty situation. Could such moments present Divine disruption? That’s what we got into with Kaitlin Curtice.
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Ryan Dunn (00:01):
This is the compass podcast where we try to disrupt your every day with divine moments. Happy summer! Here at the compass podcast, we're making plans for new episodes and a bit of a different feel for the podcast. We're still gonna be concentrating on finding those divine encounters in everyday life, because honestly we could all used to have a bit more love, disrupt our lives, right? We're excited about bringing new stories of disruption to you beginning next month, August of 2022.
Ryan Dunn (00:29):
In the meantime, we're resharing some of our most disruptive episodes of the past. In this episode, we're revisiting a conversation Pierce and I had with Kaitlin Curtice. We talked with Kaitlin back in 2018. She was then, and is now an award-winning author, poet storyteller and public speaker, Kaitlin presents on the intersections of spirituality and identity and how that shifts throughout our lives. In this episode, we really focused on how she uses everyday moments as instances of awareness and appreciation, everything from doing the dishes to dealing with the nasty situation could such moments present divine disruption. That's what we got into with Kaitlin Curtice. So let's dive back into 2018.
Ryan Dunn (01:23):
Well, Kaitlin Curtice is with us and here's why you need to listen to Kaitlin. She has an amazing ability to pull out moments of his spiritual enlightenment in some of the most mundane everyday things. It's really an impressive ability. She's written a book it's called glory happening. You can pick that up now and Kaitlin, thank you. You so much for being with us.
Kaitlin Curtice (01:46):
Yeah. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you.
Ryan Dunn (01:48):
What else might we need to know about you or would you like for us to know about you?
Kaitlin Curtice (01:52):
My family and I, we live in Atlanta and my husband and I, and our two boys. We have a, a four year old and a six year old and we have two dogs as well. Fam is a Husky and Jupiter is a nine month old weimaraner. So we have two big dogs and two kids. And I'm the only female being in this house. So I live with lots of male <laugh> maleness. <Laugh>
Pierce Drake (02:20):
You're from Atlanta. I lived in Atlanta for a while. Got some commonality there. What's your favorite takeout?
Kaitlin Curtice (02:25):
Well, one of our favorite places in town is Taqueria Del Sol, which has a few locations. And we eat that at home and we eat there. So we go there a lot. It's one of our favorite places
Pierce Drake (02:36):
That works.
Kaitlin Curtice (02:38):
Yeah, that's good. We love it.
Pierce Drake (02:38):
It. That's good. Fellini's near you is really good. Good pizza. Good pizza. Yeah. So we, we talked in the, the intro a question that we ask each other kind of starting off this podcast, a question that comes from kind of our Methodist heritage and goes a little bit deeper obviously than how are you, but this question is, how is your soul
Kaitlin Curtice (03:01):
Today? I have been in a recliner all day. I <laugh> had an allergic reaction to a be sting recently. So gotcha. So today it has been, you know, there those seasons in your life where, you know, you're just forced to be still. And it's always those times when, like you really don't wanna be still, you know, we're about to go on a trip and I've been trying to, you know, clean my house. I was like, I'm gonna get it super clean before we leave and I'm gonna, it's just gonna be perfect. So when we come back, it'll still be perfect and, you know, had all these like plans and then I'm sitting in a recliner for two days. So that's just what happens. And you learn things while you're there. So my soul has been taking in the, the lessons of the show, Queer Eye <laugh> which has actually been thinking a lot about what self care and self love and self expression looks like.
Kaitlin Curtice (03:55):
It's a beautiful show and I've been thinking a lot lately. I just think that in America, right now, we are all just so tired and people are like reeling from the news or from, you know, just stuff that's heavy. I, I don't know that we that we know how to heal or know how to grieve or how to process loss together. And I just, I've been feeling that in myself. And I think that as a nation, we're just feeling it on a lot of levels right now. And we just need reminders of things like self care and self love and self-expression and something as silly as a TV show can do that, you know, and remind you that it is important and that it matters.
Ryan Dunn (04:33):
So what practical advice from self-care have you plucked out of Queer Eye?
Kaitlin Curtice (04:38):
<Laugh> I love, I love clothing and fashion
Pierce Drake (04:42):
Tan is your man!
Kaitlin Curtice (04:42):
Yeah. But the funny thing is there was a guy that was like, I shop at Goodwill. I was like, yeah, me too. I can buy all my clothes at Goodwill. And so, yeah, just like paying attention to even something like that, like getting up and getting dressed for your day and, and, and having that mean something no matter who you are or how much money you make or whatever, you know, I just think knowing that you are happy with yourself and that you care about the things you're wearing and the things you're doing. I just think that, that it really doesn't matter as silly as it sounds like it really does matter to us the way that we present ourselves in the world and the kindness that comes with that.
Ryan Dunn (05:16):
Well, in your book, Glory Happening, you display what impressed me so much about it is that you have this special ability for pulling out spiritual enlightenment, or just making spiritual observations in, in the midst of the every day. So even things like washing the dishes or laying in bed with your dogs, and there are big events in, in the book too. I don't want to make it all sound like we're reading Caitlyn's day to day history of doing the laundry and that kind of stuff. But how did you come to that kind of spiritual mindfulness? Is it just naturally there, or are there some practices that, that you dive into that help open you up to that kind of awareness?
Kaitlin Curtice (05:56):
You know, I think that when I was a child, that was a very natural part of me, a contemplative side, a mystic kind of, you know, and I, and honestly, I think that's natural to all children. I think that we just lose it along the way. Huh. And, and I definitely, you know, you lose things along the way you, you become disconnected from some parts of yourself. I grew up in the Baptist church and there, I had never even heard the word contemplative or mystic or advent <laugh>. There were just like a lot of things that I, they just weren't practiced in that background, you know? So I think now as an adult discovering a few years ago, discovering some of the mystic right before I wrote happening, actually I was discovering some of the Christian mystic tradition and the way that I think it just brought me back to myself.
Kaitlin Curtice (06:40):
I think that it, it showed me that this is what you are and being native, you know, there are aspects of indigenous thought and the way that we interpret the world, that also completely goes along very well with kind of a mystic idea of faith. And so those things were just kind of melding together inside of me. And then they helped produce this book. And I definitely think that there are seasons of life where you have to practice it a lot more, you know, and then there are seasons where it comes more easily. We have two young kids, you know, so this is a season where we have to practice it more and I often fail at that. But I think that that also ties into self care. And, and how much are we willing to find the space that we need to look at our souls or just to look at the world and just be still for a minute, you know, how do we get there? And I think it's just a constant trying and trying again, no judgment for the times that we, you know, don't do as well as we want or think that we are mystic enough. <Laugh>
Pierce Drake (07:43):
So, so in that, I love your, I love your description and, and we'll get to it in a minute of what, what glory is, but being able to see that in the every day, right in the, in the small things that normally we look over and whether it be the dishes or in the, in the bed with the dogs or whatever, because you, you make your, you, you're making yourself so aware of that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Do you find times that you would say, I just haven't seen it recently? I haven't seen God's glory. And then if you do, like what, what's your way back?
Kaitlin Curtice (08:16):
Um I feel it a lot when I am stressed. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so if I'm, you know, if I'm on social media, maybe writing something that's difficult to write, or if I'm looking at too much political stuff that gets me down, if I'm engaged in something that makes me angry, rightfully you know, something that's happening in the world that has to do with justice and caring about people. Yeah. Right. Just saying, you know, riles me up. Those things, keep me from that a lot. And so when I feel that happening and then, you know, and then it makes you irritable with your children and irritable with your partner. Like, you can feel the, the, the ramifications of it pretty quickly. And so usually when that happens, I just, at some point have to decide to like, get away from social media for a while, like for the day or whatever. And oftentimes we'll just go hiking or go outside for a while. I'll go weed my garden a little bit. I'll go cook, which I don't like cooking, but it actually, if I do it, it helps me get back into that mindset of just paying attention, you know, or go do the dishes, like what is in my book a lot, especially if you don't have a dishwasher. Yeah.
Ryan Dunn (09:22):
<Laugh>,
Pierce Drake (09:22):
I'd love for you to share your definition of, of glory.
Kaitlin Curtice (09:26):
Yeah. so when I wrote the book, I was trying to find the thread through all these stories, cuz I had this whole list of stories and I was like, what, what is the thread between these? Like, is it just gonna be a random book, you know, of all these things from my life. And, and I thought of the idea of the glory of God. We always, well, not, not everyone, but I heard about it a lot when I was young, you know, what's the glory of God. And I always imagined that it was like this booming voice, like shining from the clouds, you know? Yeah. I God. Or you know, like something great.
Ryan Dunn (09:54):
Like the angelic choir that is yes. .
Pierce Drake (09:56):
Yeah. It's Morgan Freeman.
Kaitlin Curtice (09:58):
Yeah. And I, I just, in my kitchen doing the dishes that day, I, I just thought, I don't know if that's all that there is to it or maybe it's different. So I looked up the definition and one of them was like something extremely beautiful and I thought, well, like that could be anything, you know, if it's that simple, why isn't the glory of God, the plants around me and the clock on my wall. And you know, the pictures of my family that are in my house and the blankets we use to cover up with like why isn't the glory of God found and the things that are are surrounding us, you know, then I realized that that was the thread throughout these stories was that that glory is this simple, beautiful thing that we can find. And that is, that is not, not just reserved for like really holy people or something, you know, like this is something that everyone can grasp.
Pierce Drake (10:49):
Does that mess with your mind a little bit, when you walk in the living room and all the blankets are on the floor and you like the glory of God's just late, we haven't even put the glory of God up on the, on the blanket ladder. Fine. It's fine.
Kaitlin Curtice (11:02):
It's like glory of God is here somewhere.
Pierce Drake (11:03):
That's right. I love it. I love it.
Kaitlin Curtice (11:05):
<Laugh>
Ryan Dunn (11:06):
So right now you're laid up with a bee sting. You've been hanging out in the easy chair for most of the day. <Laugh> I, I feel like this could be a cool, exclusive appendix to the book. What's been your moment of glory today?
Kaitlin Curtice (11:19):
Let me think.
Ryan Dunn (11:20):
<Laugh> sure this is like forced mindfulness, cuz sometimes you have to be coaxed into almost.
Kaitlin Curtice (11:26):
Our boys have been at like a camp this week and so having them, you know, my husband had to go pick them up because you know, I can't walk. So having them just like burst through the door and be excited to tell me things, you know, our kids are just like the amount that they wanna just like share every detail of, of their life with us is just so beautiful beyond measure to me and the end that we have to be able to stop and pay attention. And that's the, that's that curious spirit that they have that we all start with and wanting to share those beautiful things that they found when they were searching or whatever it is. So having a few of those moments with my boys, where they just wanted to like tell me everything and show me things they made. And even though those things happen every day in different ways with your kids, you know, if you're a parent just when you stop and like lean into those moments, really, it's just really beautiful what you end up finding there.
Pierce Drake (12:20):
Hmm. What do you have you found, I guess a better way to say it, have you found like reoccurring sites? I've got a question after this, this is a lead up, but like reoccurring sightings of God's glory that, that, that you feel like maybe are just for you.
Kaitlin Curtice (12:33):
Yeah. There, there are things in nature, certain animals or Fall is always one that are very personal, you know personal things to me. And of course in, you know, in native culture nature is a way that God speaks to us. Right. And, and, and shares, shares very personal things with us. And so having throughout the years, these, you know, they're like, Ebenezers, they're the things that mark our life. They're the things that mark seasons for us. I just got my first tattoo last week with my, my husband and I had our 10 year anniversary. And so we decided to get tattoos and it was like his fifth and it was my first <laugh>. And so we got these tattoos and mine is a, a design by a Potowatomi artist in Canada named Chief Lady Bird. And I've always wanted a tattoo.
Kaitlin Curtice (13:24):
And because it's just this permanent thing you can put on your body to represent a time or a season, you know, good or bad. Yeah. And I feel like just this design of these seven flowers with the sun behind it is something like that for me. Like I'll always look at it and I'll always remember this season and remember the glory of this season, whatever it looked like. You know? So I think that we can create that with our art. It's a gift. But I think that, I think, I think that a lot of what inspires us can be found in nature and the gifts that have been here for so long for us.
Pierce Drake (13:59):
Yeah. I love, I love that. It's the reason I ask is I was reading, I was reading excerpts of your book and your book and it kind of hit me. So I've been trying to find this language for this. So I'm a pastor at a local church here in Nashville and I'm one of many pastors at this church. And, and so I've gotten the opportunity to, to preach more and more over the last two years. And the first time I was preparing a message we are we're in this like really urban, not urban, I would say it's suburban area, but it's all construction zones around the church. And so right behind our church, we have some acres that like it's just woods and they, they haven't been touched. So what's happened is all these deer have come into, move in there and they don't get spooked by us anymore.
Pierce Drake (14:40):
And so I was writing this sermon two years ago. I think it was probably now and sitting outside the church and this deer like walked up and I mean, basically just walked by my leg and just kept walking. And every time, so far, two years running six or seven, eight times, something like that, every time I've preached in my prep at, at the church, this deer has come out. And I don't know, I don't know if it's the same deer, but it's just been like this reminder. And so I went to preach a camp and on this past Sunday night and I'm driving there and we stopped by Starbucks in the middle of like concrete jungle area and no lie. I've got a video on my phone out of nowhere. This deer walks by <laugh> and I was like, this doesn't make sense. This
Ryan Dunn (15:26):
This is your petronus!
Pierce Drake (15:28):
Yeah. I mean, I love some Harry! You know, but it was just that, like I was stressed out. I was worried, you know, and mm-hmm, <affirmative> there's this like three bushes, an outcome that of these three bushes comes this little dough. Anyway. I don't know. I've been trying to figure out language for it, but I really resonate with that. And, and your writing for sure.
Kaitlin Curtice (15:46):
Yeah. I love that.
Ryan Dunn (15:48):
Yeah. You brought up spiritual mysticism and that's something that might be, I don't know, a little fishy sounding to some people or just mm-hmm, <affirmative> totally unfamiliar to some. So who are some of the, some of the authors or thinkers that that you've pulled meaning out of who are from, I guess the, the school of mysticism,
Kaitlin Curtice (16:07):
You know, for me, it's funny. The, the first time that I called myself a mystic, I, I was like really freaked out because we reserved this term for like monks or nuns, you know, where like those, you know, Saint Francis, he was a mystic, but I can't be, you know, right.
Ryan Dunn (16:22):
They're just a little bit weird or different or removed.
Kaitlin Curtice (16:25):
Yeah, yeah. And like super spiritual. And, and I just, I think it's really important. And other writers have said this Brother David Steindl-Ras. He talks about, about this, that anyone can be a mystic. And Richard Rohr says the same thing. Like we are all called to mystic faith to find the divine in our spaces to find, find those thin, the thin veil, you know, between here and there, or to realize that God is in our midst. Those are all ways of practicing mysticism and, and everyone's capable of it when I started reading, you know, I, I don't, I haven't read a lot of like ancient mystics mm-hmm <affirmative> so I guess I'm more in the modern mystics. I don't know, Richard Rohr and Barbara Brown Taylor, I think is an amazing mystic Brennan Manning, and now reading indigenous writers who I believe are just incredible mystics.
Kaitlin Curtice (17:17):
Robin Wall Kimmerer is Potowatmoi like I am, and she has a book called Braiding Sweetgrass And it is, I mean, it's mystic faith displayed. If you could ever read about it, it's, it's beautifully displayed in her book. And so some of those people have kind of led me to where I am now. Thomas Martin, of course, you know, so I've, and now I kind of am want, I want to learn from the mystics of other faith too, you know, the mystics of Islam or Jewish mystics you know, reading from Heschel, Abraham Heschel, and he's an amazing poet mystic. So I'm just, I'm trying now to, it's such a wide array of voices. And like, sometimes I don't even know where to go next with it, but those are some of the people that kind of led me here,
Ryan Dunn (18:04):
You're Potowatomi. And how has your native heritage informed or affected your, your Christian faith?
Kaitlin Curtice (18:11):
So I grew up in a household where we went to church every Sunday, mm-hmm <affirmative> to Baptist Southern Baptist churches. That's just what my family always was, but we were also native, but didn't practice a lot of our culture and we didn't do traditional things. So like traditional prayer or the, our traditional teachings were never really part of my household or my family. And so when I was nine, my dad left and my parents got divorced. And so it kind of my dad's my native side. And, and so it kind of severed that part of my identity for a while. And so I just kind of, you know, became more and more assimilated into the church and that, and the church became my safe place and the church, the church took care of me in a lot of ways, but but now I can look back and, and a lot of people are doing this, you know, deconstructing their faith or whatever.
Kaitlin Curtice (19:01):
Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, they're looking back at ways they grew up the structure they grew up in and, and, you know, critiquing it. And I think that that's, that's a normal part of adulthood, but yeah, for me to to critique it now, knowing that knowing my indigenous identity and critiquing the institution of the church and critiquing history church history, that the church was often complicit in the mm-hmm, <affirmative> the things that were done to indigenous people in America and in Canada and all over <laugh> but, but here for the sake of this conversation. And and so now I, I, in my, myself, I am, I'm so much richer knowing the things and learning the things I'm learning about my, my identity as a Potowatomi woman, it has only enhanced my faith in who God is, but it also brought this brought even more of the same thing that mysticism brings me to, which is that God is mystery and there's a lot we don't understand.
Kaitlin Curtice (19:59):
And that that's a beautiful thing. You know, the spirit Gitchi Manitou is the way that we say it, this the great spirit, you know, this thing that we don't understand, but is always there taking care of us. So that has only made me long for that more. I think that, that it's made it harder for me to be a part of church in general, because I, I just have a hard time there, you know, in yeah. In predominantly white churches where I don't always see my people or see where we would fit or see myself fitting completely. And yet I grew up in it. So it's like this I'm comfortable, but not really anymore, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> so I, I'm often in these, in between spaces and my faith and I'm okay with that. I think that's where I'll always be, but that's what, that's why I write. And that's why I ask the questions I'm asking, you know, that's, this is my journey, you know? And I would never want anything else from it, but it does require, you know, just a lot of work and a lot of processing,
Pierce Drake (20:55):
Where do you find community? Not that church is always where we find community mm-hmm <affirmative>. But do you find that you have put, you found a community of faith there, of spirituality outside of this?
Kaitlin Curtice (21:06):
There's a group of other indigenous people who live in Atlanta and we get together like once a month and that's been amazing for me to have them now, none of them are, are Christians. And so, but then I, I know I have some native friends who are Christians, and so Twitter has been this like crazy place where I, you know, there's so many horrible things about Twitter. There's so many mean people, but then there are also people that I never would've met, who, who I never, would've known, could've been supportive of my journey and who I could support them in their journey, except that we met on Twitter like last year. And that's been amazing that Twitter can be a source of community. And then you meet those people in real life and you just become closer. And so I've met a lot of people there, but of course you need in real life community. And in some ways I've found that at our local church, but that's still a struggle. And honestly, I just think it always will be. And so there are ways sometimes that we have to get more creative with, with community yeah. Than the traditional, like my community is church, you know, and that's not, it shouldn't always, it shouldn't be that way. It should never have been that way, but that's how I was raised. And so I'm trying to reframe that, you know, and have, what can community look like? That's a little different than that.
Ryan Dunn (22:17):
Are, are there ways that that you deal with the tension of really the historical mistreatment of native peoples by, by Christians, by professing Christians and, and, and being in that space today?
Kaitlin Curtice (22:31):
I think I think that this is also, like I said earlier, this is one of those spaces where it requires a lot of self care in the way that I grieve, because something that I still come across today, now that I've started, I started traveling and speaking at churches, you know, earlier this year and, and at lots of different events at conferences and stuff. But when I speak, sometimes people come up to me after and they wanna just like, know everything. And people need to realize that, like, I can't just retell my story over and over, or I can't talk about these things over and over just with everyone, because it's retraumatizing like these I'm li I live with generational trauma inside of me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, and it's a lot of it I don't even understand. And so the church, what I'm trying to do is help people understand that.
Kaitlin Curtice (23:17):
Not that you can ever really under, you know, but I'm trying to describe it and describe what it does to me. And, and I've had friends of mine that are black, who have said the same thing. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> like, there are certain conversations about slavery or whatever that, that are, are retraumatizing when we're asked to share about it all the time, you know, and it's not, it's out of a space of curiosity of wanting to learn. Right. Mm-hmm, <affirmative> like you're asking to, because it, it matters. And that it's important to know that it's a good heart coming from that, but we have to find a way to have these conversations without requiring the indigenous people or people of color have to re-traumatize themselves in order to have these conversations for the sake of the church. Like the church has to do the work too yeah.
Kaitlin Curtice (24:02):
On their end. And so, yeah, it's something that you know, with the stuff that's happening all over the place today, even in our politics, like we're trying to, you know, people are like, America's never been like this. And, you know, black people are like you've always taken our kids. And, and then indigenous people are like, yeah, you know, do you know what Indian boarding schools are? Like, you've always taken our kids and you sent them into these schools and you stole them from their parents, you know? And it's just like, even those conversations, just trying to, to meet at the table and say, this is the history we've lived. You know, this is the history we have lived. Like, we need to figure out what this actually looks like and what the church needs to do about it, because it's not just that we need to like, bring it up every now and then, but the church needs to take it seriously to move forward. You know, if we're gonna claim to be someone or an entity that loves like Jesus, then we need to, we need to be serious about these conversations.
Kaitlin Curtice (25:02):
Do you find in this new season for you in speaking and you've been writing for a while, but now speaking as this seems to stretch you, that you find, I'm trying to think how to word this. You find that it's, you prefer to talk about certain things publicly and write about other things like separate the two?
Kaitlin Curtice (25:22):
Yeah. Yeah. Because I am more of a processor through writing than I am through speaking mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so, you know, if I speak anywhere, like just know that I have a full script <laugh>, I'm not like off the cuff, you know, speaker at all, ever I've written out everything that I'm saying. And when it comes to those like question and answered times, or when someone wants to have a conversation. Yeah. I'm, I'm much more cautious about it. You know, writing is just a different part of my brain and my heart, I guess. Yeah. Speaking is just something else and, and the emotion that's that's in that moment when you're trying to talk to someone, you know, I don't know for me, it, for me, that's actually harder than writing a piece that people can read my words
Pierce Drake (26:05):
10 years from now, 15 years from now. What's your hope, what's your hope for the impact of I'm gonna be really specific? What's your hope for the impact of this next generation coming up? Who's growing up in this turmoil? Maybe in a way that is in their face more than it's been in the face of others in the past generations, although it's been there, right. It's in the face a little more, right? What's your hope for them as, as they read, you know, glory happening and, and going forward the way they see the world.
Kaitlin Curtice (26:34):
I think that our young people have been like, I've been so impressed with who, with those kids who are gonna be the leaders of the next generation, you know? And I can only hope that, like, I feel like in so many ways, like we just are constantly repeating old things, you know, like that's what history is. You're just like, are there any new ideas <laugh> or you just like repeating something else and putting it in new skin? You know, sometimes I think that's what we do, which isn't bad, but, you know, I hope that like my two boys will take my book with them and read it one day when they're older and that it will fuel them to do whatever is necessary, creative wise to make a better world when we're scared to be creative or scared to like tap into those spaces that we're spirituality and creativity overlap.
Kaitlin Curtice (27:21):
I think it cuts off something in us if we can't go there. And I don't mean like, you have to be an artist or you have to be a writer, but like creativity is such a wide and beautiful thing, you know? And in the future to have more people who can, who can overlap those places without fear, and that makes them more whole, and then they carry that wholeness into the world with them. You know, I think that's so powerful and it speaks to power. It speaks to oppressive powers. It speaks to these spaces that, that we wanna change, you know? And I think that that will, that will lead us in a lot of ways.
Ryan Dunn (27:53):
What's next for you?
Kaitlin Curtice (27:55):
I'm working on my second book, so I'm hoping that it will be out next year sometime. So I'm, I'm working on that with my agent and then I'm just writing. I'm writing a lot. I'm speaking. Next, my next speaking event is wild goose festival in North Carolina which is a really, really fun festival. If you guys have never been or the audience,
Ryan Dunn (28:16):
I've got one final question for you. If somebody were to tweet you tomorrow, admitting that they are completely spiritually dry, what two recommendations could you make to them?
Kaitlin Curtice (28:25):
To go outside and to be quiet when you're outside, just whatever you're doing outside. Just like be quiet and like take it in
Ryan Dunn (28:35):
Homework for all of us. And we look forward to getting tweets back about your experience going outside and being quiet.
Ryan Dunn (28:44):
Thanks for taking this journey back into time with us. You can learn more about compass and check out our other episodes at U c.org/compass. You can learn more about Kaitlin at KaitlinCurtice.com and Curtice is spelled C U R T I C E.
Ryan Dunn (29:03):
If you want more Compass in your life, good news: There are 80 some episodes for you to revisit. If you enjoyed this one, you might appreciate our episode entitled "making any moment a holy moment." That was with Douglas McKelvey in August of 2021. Or you might appreciate "prayerful reflection for mid-day disruption." That was from June of 2021. So glad to have this time with you. My name is Ryan Dunn. Thanks to United Methodist Communications for resourcing this podcast. We'll talk to you soon. Peace.
